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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2010/01/10/grace-talk-but-not-the-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-9451</link>
		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-9450&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Daisy&lt;/a&gt;, You hit the nail on the head Daisy!  Hubby and I were using the same comparison in our discussion the other day.  It is very much related to the tolerance movement, I believe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-9450">@Daisy</a>, You hit the nail on the head Daisy!  Hubby and I were using the same comparison in our discussion the other day.  It is very much related to the tolerance movement, I believe!</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. I wish folks would understand that just because you have convictions doesn&#039;t make you legalistic.  I&#039;ve said it before but I really think this is the Christianized version of the tolerance movement. Secular folks cry, &quot;You&#039;re intolerant&quot; to anyone who disagrees with them. Christians cry, &quot;You&#039;re legalistic!&quot; Same thing.  Different name.
.-= Daisy&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://daisyhomeschoolblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/uncle-toms-cabin-week-2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uncle Tom&#039;s Cabin - Week 2&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. I wish folks would understand that just because you have convictions doesn&#8217;t make you legalistic.  I&#8217;ve said it before but I really think this is the Christianized version of the tolerance movement. Secular folks cry, &#8220;You&#8217;re intolerant&#8221; to anyone who disagrees with them. Christians cry, &#8220;You&#8217;re legalistic!&#8221; Same thing.  Different name.<br />
.-= Daisy&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://daisyhomeschoolblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/uncle-toms-cabin-week-2.html">Uncle Tom&#8217;s Cabin &#8211; Week 2</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2010/01/10/grace-talk-but-not-the-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-9449</link>
		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-9448&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Amanda&lt;/a&gt;, Thanks Amanda! :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-9448">@Amanda</a>, Thanks Amanda! <img src='http://mamaarcher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you said this very gracefully (pun intended). such truth in it! :)
.-= Amanda&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://superangelsblog.com/?p=3462&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wordless Wednesday: Schmiley Wittle Samuel&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you said this very gracefully (pun intended). such truth in it! <img src='http://mamaarcher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Amanda&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://superangelsblog.com/?p=3462">Wordless Wednesday: Schmiley Wittle Samuel</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry,
Thank you for your comments and for the link love!
Many blessings to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry,<br />
Thank you for your comments and for the link love!<br />
Many blessings to you!</p>
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		<title>By: terry@breathing grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry@breathing grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I comment again to add a hearty AMEN to this point you made?

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I am willing to listen to differing opinions on things, to hear one out, and to seek the Lord on a matter. But if I do not come to the same conviction as you does not mean that I am hard-headed, legalistic, self-righteous, or prideful.  It simply means that your words have not come in agreement with what the Spirit and the Word have taught me thus far in my journey with the Lord.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
.-= terry@breathing grace&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/unmarried-women-uninterested-men/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unmarried Women, Uninterested Men.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I comment again to add a hearty AMEN to this point you made?</p>
<p><i><b>I am willing to listen to differing opinions on things, to hear one out, and to seek the Lord on a matter. But if I do not come to the same conviction as you does not mean that I am hard-headed, legalistic, self-righteous, or prideful.  It simply means that your words have not come in agreement with what the Spirit and the Word have taught me thus far in my journey with the Lord.</b></i><br />
.-= terry@breathing grace&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/unmarried-women-uninterested-men/">Unmarried Women, Uninterested Men.</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: terry@breathing grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry@breathing grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was wonderful. I particular like the quotes from &lt;i&gt;Like A Warm Cup of Coffee&lt;/i&gt;.

I will be adding this to my delicious links list.
.-= terry@breathing grace&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/unmarried-women-uninterested-men/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unmarried Women, Uninterested Men.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was wonderful. I particular like the quotes from <i>Like A Warm Cup of Coffee</i>.</p>
<p>I will be adding this to my delicious links list.<br />
.-= terry@breathing grace&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/unmarried-women-uninterested-men/">Unmarried Women, Uninterested Men.</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2010/01/10/grace-talk-but-not-the-walk/comment-page-1/#comment-9440</link>
		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque, 
Thank you so much for your comment!  There are two things you mentioned that really stuck out to me!


&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-9436&quot;&gt;

Seeing someone live out their convictions in obedience usually brings about the conviction of sin in our own lives by the Holy Spirit. THAT alone makes some people SO ANGRY that resorting to labeling someone a legalist is all they can do. If the “legalist” is right in their walk and convictions, well, then that means that they must be wrong, and in their pride, they can’t handle that.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is often very true!  The last thing a &quot;grace talker&quot; crying legalism of another will see is their own pridefulness!  That is why IN ALL DEALINGS we should be continually examining our hearts in the matter.  Someone we come across COULD be living legalistically but we had better make sure our hearts are TRULY in the right place and that the Spirit is the one leading us to speak to the issue with them and our words should be lead by the Lord.  This is where we need to take the plank out of our own eye before looking for and trying to remove another&#039;s speck.

AND:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-9436&quot;&gt;
It is Yahveh who shapes the hearts. We have stepped back to allow him to do his work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is so hard for us.  We are result oriented people.  We need to just be obedient to share and then sit back and know that God is God.  He is the one who produces results and what those results are and in his timing.  Sometimes those results are not what we desire the result to be but that does not mean that results are not what the Lord decreed in that individuals life at that time.  We must rest and truly trust in the Lord!  Often we act as if God really is not as powerful as we say we believe and take things into our hands that are to be left in his.

OK, enough rambling.....LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque,<br />
Thank you so much for your comment!  There are two things you mentioned that really stuck out to me!</p>
<blockquote cite="comment-9436">
<p>Seeing someone live out their convictions in obedience usually brings about the conviction of sin in our own lives by the Holy Spirit. THAT alone makes some people SO ANGRY that resorting to labeling someone a legalist is all they can do. If the “legalist” is right in their walk and convictions, well, then that means that they must be wrong, and in their pride, they can’t handle that.</p>
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<p>This is often very true!  The last thing a &#8220;grace talker&#8221; crying legalism of another will see is their own pridefulness!  That is why IN ALL DEALINGS we should be continually examining our hearts in the matter.  Someone we come across COULD be living legalistically but we had better make sure our hearts are TRULY in the right place and that the Spirit is the one leading us to speak to the issue with them and our words should be lead by the Lord.  This is where we need to take the plank out of our own eye before looking for and trying to remove another&#8217;s speck.</p>
<p>AND:</p>
<blockquote cite="comment-9436"><p>
It is Yahveh who shapes the hearts. We have stepped back to allow him to do his work.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is so hard for us.  We are result oriented people.  We need to just be obedient to share and then sit back and know that God is God.  He is the one who produces results and what those results are and in his timing.  Sometimes those results are not what we desire the result to be but that does not mean that results are not what the Lord decreed in that individuals life at that time.  We must rest and truly trust in the Lord!  Often we act as if God really is not as powerful as we say we believe and take things into our hands that are to be left in his.</p>
<p>OK, enough rambling&#8230;..LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Jacque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Kristine. As anyone who reads our family blogs already knows, we have strong convictions based on what we find in scripture. Our lives have changed so much in the past year, because we are reading and walking, reading and walking... if it says it, we are doing it as best we can. 
Does DOING add to or make your salvation? NO.
Salvation is by Yahshua, called Jesus, alone. As a matter of fact, Yahshua means Yah saves. In the name Yahveh gave to the Son is the message that HE SAVES. 
We DO because faith without works is as dead as works without faith. We DO because we LOVE Yahveh and want to be in the Covenant with him. We want to &quot;be his people&quot; and have him &quot;be our Elohim-GOD&quot;.

We have been bashed online and IRL a lot in this past year for our stand on the Scriptures. Here we thought we coined the term &quot;grace talkers&quot;! lol That is all we have heard from them: we are like wolves, false prophets, legalists, forcing people back &quot;under the law&quot;, etc; when in reality, we are more in love with and in obedience to our Elohim-GOD than we have ever been - and as saved as we have always been! no more, no less!

Can we and do we love people who just judge and talk about us? Certainly. We do. Do we hang in their circles? Not any longer. It is futile. It is Yahveh who shapes the hearts. We have stepped back to allow him to do his work.

He certainly has done plenty in our lives through all of this!!
One healthy way to know if you are a legalist is this:
Do you check your own heart when you write/say something that you know another will likely take as legalistic?

I love the excerpts from Sarah Mae&#039;s post. Obedience is just that: obeying Yahveh&#039;s commandments and his plans and desires. 
We have experienced legalism in this manner also: 
Seeing someone live out their convictions in obedience usually brings about the conviction of sin in our own lives by the Holy Spirit. THAT alone makes some people SO ANGRY that resorting to labeling someone a legalist is all they can do. If the &quot;legalist&quot; is right in their walk and convictions, well, then that means that they must be wrong, and in their pride, they can&#039;t handle that.
It is unbelievable how UGLY that can get in the lives of Believers. Pride truly goes before a fall. 
May Yahveh correct us and lead us, and may we be willing and teachable, in all humility, to walk in the narrow path, instead of the wide path we see in Christianity today.

Bless you for standing up and telling it as it is.
Off to read Sarah&#039;s post....
.-= Jacque&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://trainingdaughtersteachingwives.com/?p=1397&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WW – Purple Beauties&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Kristine. As anyone who reads our family blogs already knows, we have strong convictions based on what we find in scripture. Our lives have changed so much in the past year, because we are reading and walking, reading and walking&#8230; if it says it, we are doing it as best we can.<br />
Does DOING add to or make your salvation? NO.<br />
Salvation is by Yahshua, called Jesus, alone. As a matter of fact, Yahshua means Yah saves. In the name Yahveh gave to the Son is the message that HE SAVES.<br />
We DO because faith without works is as dead as works without faith. We DO because we LOVE Yahveh and want to be in the Covenant with him. We want to &#8220;be his people&#8221; and have him &#8220;be our Elohim-GOD&#8221;.</p>
<p>We have been bashed online and IRL a lot in this past year for our stand on the Scriptures. Here we thought we coined the term &#8220;grace talkers&#8221;! lol That is all we have heard from them: we are like wolves, false prophets, legalists, forcing people back &#8220;under the law&#8221;, etc; when in reality, we are more in love with and in obedience to our Elohim-GOD than we have ever been &#8211; and as saved as we have always been! no more, no less!</p>
<p>Can we and do we love people who just judge and talk about us? Certainly. We do. Do we hang in their circles? Not any longer. It is futile. It is Yahveh who shapes the hearts. We have stepped back to allow him to do his work.</p>
<p>He certainly has done plenty in our lives through all of this!!<br />
One healthy way to know if you are a legalist is this:<br />
Do you check your own heart when you write/say something that you know another will likely take as legalistic?</p>
<p>I love the excerpts from Sarah Mae&#8217;s post. Obedience is just that: obeying Yahveh&#8217;s commandments and his plans and desires.<br />
We have experienced legalism in this manner also:<br />
Seeing someone live out their convictions in obedience usually brings about the conviction of sin in our own lives by the Holy Spirit. THAT alone makes some people SO ANGRY that resorting to labeling someone a legalist is all they can do. If the &#8220;legalist&#8221; is right in their walk and convictions, well, then that means that they must be wrong, and in their pride, they can&#8217;t handle that.<br />
It is unbelievable how UGLY that can get in the lives of Believers. Pride truly goes before a fall.<br />
May Yahveh correct us and lead us, and may we be willing and teachable, in all humility, to walk in the narrow path, instead of the wide path we see in Christianity today.</p>
<p>Bless you for standing up and telling it as it is.<br />
Off to read Sarah&#8217;s post&#8230;.<br />
.-= Jacque&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://trainingdaughtersteachingwives.com/?p=1397">WW – Purple Beauties</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Mae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and Yes!  I have been experiencing these same things.  Thank you for the link love!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and Yes!  I have been experiencing these same things.  Thank you for the link love!</p>
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