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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow-Up Discussion to the post is here&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://mamaarcher.blogspot.com/2007/08/follow-up-discussion-from-previous-post.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Follow-Up&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please post continuing comments there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow-Up Discussion to the post is here<br /><a HREF="http://mamaarcher.blogspot.com/2007/08/follow-up-discussion-from-previous-post.html">Follow-Up</a><br />Please post continuing comments there.</p>
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		<title>By: meeyauw</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>meeyauw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an alcoholic cannot have &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; alcohol at all, in any form. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jesus never turned away anyone from his table. Why should we? Why all these rules/regulations/tests of committment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an alcoholic cannot have <i>any</i> alcohol at all, in any form. </p>
<p>Jesus never turned away anyone from his table. Why should we? Why all these rules/regulations/tests of committment?</p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the church use low-alcohol wine? That&#039;s what the Catholic &amp; the Episcopalian denominations use (at least that&#039;s what my mom says about the latter, I personally do not partake in communion when I visit her church for theological reasons). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Bible condemns *drunkenness* in many places but clearly wine is celebrated in many other passages. A small amount of low-alcohol communion wine is not going to make an adult intoxicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the church use low-alcohol wine? That&#8217;s what the Catholic &#038; the Episcopalian denominations use (at least that&#8217;s what my mom says about the latter, I personally do not partake in communion when I visit her church for theological reasons). </p>
<p>The Bible condemns *drunkenness* in many places but clearly wine is celebrated in many other passages. A small amount of low-alcohol communion wine is not going to make an adult intoxicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sense a lot of self righteousness, and not just in the woman who refuses to drink wine.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you feel cannabilism is therefore condoned?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Bible is a guide, written by men with opinions.  Why is there only one way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sense a lot of self righteousness, and not just in the woman who refuses to drink wine.</p>
<p>Do you feel cannabilism is therefore condoned?</p>
<p>The Bible is a guide, written by men with opinions.  Why is there only one way?</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Lord&#039;s Son drank wine with his disciples at the Last Supper.  He also turned water into wine at a wedding, to share with friends and neighbours.  I believe that he was, yet again, showing us the way in the wisdom of responsible, moderate drinking.  Who are we to condemn something which Jesus himself instituted - the sharing of wine in worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Lord&#8217;s Son drank wine with his disciples at the Last Supper.  He also turned water into wine at a wedding, to share with friends and neighbours.  I believe that he was, yet again, showing us the way in the wisdom of responsible, moderate drinking.  Who are we to condemn something which Jesus himself instituted &#8211; the sharing of wine in worship.</p>
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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is my point right there, is if the church only offers wine and you have someone who refuses to &quot;take communion&quot; communing with God because the church uses wine instead of grape juice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is my point right there, is if the church only offers wine and you have someone who refuses to &#8220;take communion&#8221; communing with God because the church uses wine instead of grape juice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Mecomber</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Mecomber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good point, but I still don&#039;t quite understand how drinking/not drinking wine interferes with communing with God? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suppose if a body of believers prefers to drink wine at communion, and a member has vowed not to drink, either that person finds another body w/similar convictions or the body defers to that member by not offering that member wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point, but I still don&#8217;t quite understand how drinking/not drinking wine interferes with communing with God? </p>
<p>I suppose if a body of believers prefers to drink wine at communion, and a member has vowed not to drink, either that person finds another body w/similar convictions or the body defers to that member by not offering that member wine.</p>
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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some good points mrs mecomber and I agree with many of them.&lt;br/&gt;How ever, I see a marked difference when it comes to &quot;being a stumbling block and holding to ones vows, shall we say&quot;  Scripture also says it is better not to vow than to vow and break it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My main point here is that it is not simply what we eat and drink on own, but it is the Lord&#039;s supper a time of spiritual communion with God.  When something we on our own vow and it then comes to whether or not we keep what we have determined to be right verses or interferring our communing with God.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I totally agree with there being far too much individuality in the Church today and I have blogged on that recently as well.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://mamaarcher.blogspot.com/2007/06/relationship-verses-religion.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some good points mrs mecomber and I agree with many of them.<br />How ever, I see a marked difference when it comes to &#8220;being a stumbling block and holding to ones vows, shall we say&#8221;  Scripture also says it is better not to vow than to vow and break it.</p>
<p>My main point here is that it is not simply what we eat and drink on own, but it is the Lord&#8217;s supper a time of spiritual communion with God.  When something we on our own vow and it then comes to whether or not we keep what we have determined to be right verses or interferring our communing with God.</p>
<p>I totally agree with there being far too much individuality in the Church today and I have blogged on that recently as well.  </p>
<p><a href="http://mamaarcher.blogspot.com/2007/06/relationship-verses-religion.html">http://mamaarcher.blogspot.com/2007/06/relationship-verses-religion.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Mecomber</title>
		<link>http://mamaarcher.com/2007/07/06/a-pharisee-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Mecomber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, consider this: Jesus ate meat, and I know the apostles ate meat... but in 1 Corinthians 8 there is mention of those who do not eat meat for &quot;conscience&#039;s sake.&quot; These brothers believed that eating meat was sinful. The context says that the abstinence of meat was that meat was often offered to idols before consumption. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It really all goes back to love, not &quot;knowledge.&quot; Doesn&#039;t the scripture say that food does not commend us to God? But &quot;Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And remember in Jeremiah, where God commends the Rechabites, who made a vow never to drink wine or live in houses. God commended them for keeping their vow, not for &quot;eating right.&quot; Were the Rachabites proud of their stance? It doesn&#039;t say. But they kept their vow, and that is what God commended them for. He didn&#039;t explain them that drinking wine was OK and not to worry about it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I drink wine, but I defer to those who may have weak consciences about it. Paul advised Timothy to drink wine, and wine was a crucial part of Israeli life in the time of Jesus. And Jesus said He would drink it with us at the Marriage Supper. It&#039;s a sticky issue, but is goes back to the intent of the heart. And militant abstinence from wine does not necessarily mean someone is proud. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as the pride issue, if someone is performing &quot;works&quot; to make them feel more righteous, well, how can they be a true Christian? Isn&#039;t being a servant of Christ all about trusting in His work for righteousness? All one can do is explain these things to such a person, like Aquila and Priscilla did to Apollos, and pray that God shed revelation on their heart. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But it does go back to love. Are we doing the things we do out of love for Christ, and the brethren? There is far too much individuality in the Church today. Let us beware of becoming those whose &quot;love has grown cold.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, consider this: Jesus ate meat, and I know the apostles ate meat&#8230; but in 1 Corinthians 8 there is mention of those who do not eat meat for &#8220;conscience&#8217;s sake.&#8221; These brothers believed that eating meat was sinful. The context says that the abstinence of meat was that meat was often offered to idols before consumption. </p>
<p>It really all goes back to love, not &#8220;knowledge.&#8221; Doesn&#8217;t the scripture say that food does not commend us to God? But &#8220;Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.&#8221;</p>
<p>And remember in Jeremiah, where God commends the Rechabites, who made a vow never to drink wine or live in houses. God commended them for keeping their vow, not for &#8220;eating right.&#8221; Were the Rachabites proud of their stance? It doesn&#8217;t say. But they kept their vow, and that is what God commended them for. He didn&#8217;t explain them that drinking wine was OK and not to worry about it. </p>
<p>I drink wine, but I defer to those who may have weak consciences about it. Paul advised Timothy to drink wine, and wine was a crucial part of Israeli life in the time of Jesus. And Jesus said He would drink it with us at the Marriage Supper. It&#8217;s a sticky issue, but is goes back to the intent of the heart. And militant abstinence from wine does not necessarily mean someone is proud. </p>
<p>As far as the pride issue, if someone is performing &#8220;works&#8221; to make them feel more righteous, well, how can they be a true Christian? Isn&#8217;t being a servant of Christ all about trusting in His work for righteousness? All one can do is explain these things to such a person, like Aquila and Priscilla did to Apollos, and pray that God shed revelation on their heart. </p>
<p>But it does go back to love. Are we doing the things we do out of love for Christ, and the brethren? There is far too much individuality in the Church today. Let us beware of becoming those whose &#8220;love has grown cold.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MamaArcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamaArcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephanie~&lt;br/&gt;You posted &quot;But norms are not dictated by the exception.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;This is so true and a concept people today do not seem to understand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie~<br />You posted &#8220;But norms are not dictated by the exception.&#8221;<br />This is so true and a concept people today do not seem to understand!</p>
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